Jean Pierre Verster on his ‘quantimental’ funding strategy


RYK VAN NIEKERK: Welcome to this brand-new ‘Be a Higher Investor’ podcast. It replaces the outdated Market Commentator podcast, which I’ve been doing for a few years. The Be a Higher Investor podcast can be completely different, as I’ll choose the brains {of professional} traders on why they select to speculate or disinvest from sure shares, the data and the info they use to make these selections, and their successes and their errors. Hopefully these traders will supply just a few nuggets of knowledge that may enable common beginner traders to enhance their funding selections and expertise.

The very first visitor is Jean Pierre Verster of Protea Capital Administration. He’s a chartered monetary accountant, or a CFA, and he’s a chartered various funding analyst or a CAIA, and he has been making use of his commerce for a few years. He has labored for Fairtree and 36One, however he’s in all probability greatest generally known as the man who shorted Steinhoff and African Financial institution earlier than they imploded.

Jean Pierre, thanks a lot for becoming a member of me. In what number of conversations do the Steinhoff and African Financial institution brief positions you took emerge? Is it nonetheless prime of thoughts for a lot of different traders?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Sure. Hello, Ryk. Thanks. It’s, which is sort of fascinating as a result of because the years go by these occasions are additional prior to now which makes them perhaps much less related. However I’d hope that they’re nonetheless related as a result of it signifies precisely what you’ll be discussing in these podcasts – and that’s the course of reasonably than the result of what skilled traders comply with.

These have been two examples of outcomes which point out {that a} sure course of was adopted and subsequently I nonetheless consider that it’s nonetheless related. Sure, lots of people nonetheless consult with these two occasions.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: We’ll get to the method in a minute. However you are also a charted various funding analyst. What precisely does that imply?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: It’s an instructional qualification that’s supplied by an internationally accredited affiliation. Mainly to get the accreditation one will need to have some sensible expertise in various investments, which refers to non-traditional investments. Your conventional investments are equities and bonds. So different issues like hedge funds, non-public fairness and, some individuals would even say, property or actual property are seen as extra various investments.

They ship you plenty of data to undergo, plenty of books to learn via, to review. There are two completely different exams, multiple-hour exams. When you go the exams, plus have the requisite variety of sensible hours, you possibly can then attain the CAIA qualification. That’s one thing I did early on in my profession.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: What number of of those CAIAs are there in South Africa?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: I’ve seen the qualification round. When you go onto LinkedIn, you see fairly just a few individuals as an illustration put them behind their surname to point the qualification. I don’t have a precise quantity for you, however there are I’d guess a minimum of 100 CAIAs within the nation, and there could possibly be considerably extra.

As various investments have grow to be a extra well-liked subject, these skilled traders who need to achieve extra educational perception and theoretical foundation to enter the choice asset administration business have turned to the CAIA, which is extra specialised when in comparison with, as an illustration, the CFA qualification, which is broader and consists of conventional asset courses as effectively.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: Let’s speak about your funding course of. How do you go about analysing an organization and deciding whether or not you need to go lengthy or brief?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Sure – fairly a easy query and perhaps an advanced reply, however I’ll attempt to clarify it as merely as I can.

We comply with a course of that I first made my private course of, and it has now grow to be the Protea Capital Administration course of which we consult with as a ‘quantimental’ course of. Now quantimental is a made-up phrase. It’s a combination between elementary and quantitative and it implies two alternative ways through which traders or analysts typically strategy the evaluation of shares, and is generally seen as two distinct kinds of approaching funding evaluation. We have now mixed, and we use each a elementary and a quantitative strategy in our course of.

Relating to every considered one of these individually, I’ll begin with a elementary manner of companies and deciding on investments. That’s what one would perceive most enterprise individuals would. You assess the qualitative facets of an organization, you undergo the audited monetary statements of an organization, you learn via the notes to see if there’s something unusual – or maybe the accounting insurance policies that this particular firm has utilized are uncommon. On the finish of the day you’d, particularly for that firm, construct an analysis mannequin – whether or not it’s easy or complicated – and get to a valuation within the conventional elementary manner of an organization.

The opposite strategy is quantitative in nature. The time period quantitative implies plenty of information getting used. What we do there’s we use an information supplier to get information factors on plenty of corporations. Our present universe is 10 000 corporations globally. These information factors embrace value information, market information, but additionally elementary information, which [involves] the person line objects of the corporate. So, as an illustration, what the property, the liabilities and the fairness are for annually of the historical past of the corporate.

After which we use algorithms on that information to forecast the person line objects, That may be a quantitative manner then to construct a valuation mannequin and determine what an organization is price with no human perception, with out going via the notes and desirous about the standard of the administration crew, as an illustration, or the aggressive benefits that this firm may need. It’s purely primarily based on the numbers. What we do at Protea Capital Administration then is to mix the elemental manner of companies – which is, as we are saying, extra qualitative in nature – plus the quantitative manner of companies which is far more data-intensive. We mix these two, and that’s how we then determine if an organization may be engaging to both purchase or brief.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: How profitable is that this course of? What number of hits do you get and what number of misses are there?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Ah, sure, that’s query as a result of after we analyse if what we’re doing works in observe, and never simply in principle, we’ve two main methods of it.

The one is what we name the hit fee, or as you then say – what share of the time are we right? If we predict a share ought to go up in accordance with the best way we select shares, are we proper greater than we’re flawed?

The opposite manner we take a look at it’s batting the typical. The batting common implies that if you end up proper you need to make more cash than if you end up flawed. And when you can mix a excessive hit fee, subsequently being proper extra usually than you might be flawed, plus a excessive batting common, which implies that if you end up proper you make more cash than if you end up flawed, you then get above-average outcomes.

After we analyse during the last decade or extra that I’ve utilized this quantimental course of, I’m happy to say that each our hitting fee is above common – we’re proper greater than we’re flawed – and our batting common is above common. So we make more cash after we are proper than we do after we are flawed. These are the 2 methods through which one can assess in case your strategy is working.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: What have been your returns over the previous decade or so? I do know you handle completely different funds – lengthy funds, brief funds and hedge funds – however what’s the quantity you may have in your head that you simply regard us a good reflection of your efficiency?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: I feel firstly one have to be very cautious of theoretical numbers and back-tested numbers and simply numbers in anybody’s head. The excellent news is that I really began managing exterior cash in 2009, Might 2009. I invited my family and friends, an in depth circle, to put money into what I referred to as the Verster Funding Partnership. Regardless that it was a small amount of cash at first, it allowed me as an analyst on the time to have some capital that I might then afterward say, ‘This can be a true reflection of actual cash being invested by me making the choices, and these are the returns I generated on that cash’.

From Might 2009 thus far, that cash in actual phrases, the companions within the Verster Funding Partnership who have been there from day one, their cash has compounded at simply over 19% each year. That compares to the JSE compounding at roughly 13% each year. The distinction between 19% each year and 13% each year over a interval of 12 to 13 years is sort of substantial. So the companions within the partnership now have gotten nearly 10 instances the cash that they invested in 2009, which is an above-average return and, I’m happy to say, is an actual return, a real return, not only a return in my head.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: Are you extra profitable in shorting shares than going lengthy?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: It is dependent upon the place we’re within the cycle, as we name it. At instances when we’ve bull markets and shares typically rise we typically make more cash from lengthy positions than brief positions, and very often, as has been the case over the previous 18 months, we might very often lose cash over the a part of the cycle which we name the bull market cycle [when] markets rise fairly sharply.

However then when the opposite a part of the cycle occurs, the bear market cycle, and markets fall sharply, then the shorts come into their very own. Very often they generate significant income which assist to cushion the strain we would really feel on the lengthy positions that will additionally then drop in value throughout a bear-market cycle. Over a full cycle if we are able to make any optimistic return on shorts, even a small optimistic return, we might say that it exhibits that the brief ebook added to efficiency and made a optimistic contribution.

For the time being due to the final 18 months and the way sharply shares have risen, our brief ebook has simply stepped right into a scenario the place it has not generated a optimistic return. So we have to wait now for the subsequent cycle, the subsequent bear-market cycle for our brief positions to make cash. Then I can say that we’ve made cash on our shorts traditionally. At this time limit the shorts have been a really slight drag, however on the identical time allowed us to have greater than 100% publicity on the lengthy facet. So it has in an oblique manner added to our efficiency as a result of, though it detracted from efficiency, it allowed us to have extra lengthy positions than we in any other case would have had if we didn’t have a brief ebook within the portfolios.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: Let’s speak about retail or beginner traders. How skilful do you suppose a median South African retail investor is?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: It’s tough to say, as a result of to measure that we have to know what the returns of the typical South African retail investor has been traditionally. So far as I do know there aren’t actually plenty of research which have been executed on that subject. There have been research executed in worldwide markets, particularly within the US. What that has indicated is that retail traders typically do fairly a bit worse than the funds managed by skilled traders. The rationale why they do worse is that they usually make investments after a fund has had run and has proven historic return, they usually sometimes disinvest from a fund after a shorter poor interval of efficiency. That implies that retail traders typically purchase excessive and promote low, whereas to make cash in markets you want to do the alternative. You should purchase low and promote excessive.

So if this South African expertise is analogous – and I’ve no motive to consider that it wouldn’t be – I’d guess that South African retail traders on common do worse then skilled traders. That’s the reason we consult with them as retail beginner traders, as a result of it’s very tough even for skilled traders to recover from the psychological bias of being scared when markets fall and, out of concern, promoting when costs are low – and on the opposite facet getting over-eager and having plenty of hope when share costs are excessive, and subsequently shopping for extra shares when costs are excessive. These are typical behavioural bias issues that make that each retail and institutional traders make much less optimum selections than they need to in the case of investing.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: It’s additionally a matter of analysis and entry to correct information. I don’t suppose – and it’s my expertise – that retail traders do sufficient analysis earlier than they really decide on whether or not to put money into a sure firm or not.

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Most likely, sure. I’d go a step additional to say you possibly can in all probability take that challenge you’ve recognized and cut up it in two. The one is entry to data and the opposite one is what then to do with that data.

With regards to entry to data, I feel that the taking part in fields have been levelled in the previous couple of years. Within the US once more there was a regulation greater than 20 years in the past that got here out referred to as Regulation Truthful Disclosure, RFD, and that meant that skilled traders can’t, as an illustration, name up the monetary director of an organization and get any materials data in that cellphone name that’s not disseminated to the entire market, and subsequently [information] which retail traders would additionally pay attention to.

So the taking part in fields have been levelled in the case of entry to information, for my part. The identical factor with large information and instruments like Google Traits, as an illustration. Anybody can now use opensource instruments which can be out there and see, as an illustration, how well-liked sure search developments are on Google.

A couple of years in the past, name it a decade in the past, that kind of knowledge was accessible solely to institutional traders and it was very tough for retail traders to get their arms on that information. As we speak that’s not the case.

However the second factor I feel is an even bigger motive for the distinction between institutional traders. That’s that though they may have entry to the identical information right now, what they do with the info is completely different; one wants to essentially perceive information, monetary outcomes, accounting requirements, [how] to interpret information appropriately and do the suitable factor primarily based on that information. I feel there’s nonetheless a giant distinction between what retail traders do with information versus what institutional traders do with information that’s broadly out there.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: However not all institutional traders are equally profitable. We’ve seen in current instances that lots of the South African main asset managers have really carried out fairly poorly and didn’t even come near beating their very own benchmarks. Why do sure funding approaches fail, particularly from skilled traders?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: True. I’m really going to make use of two Protea funds for example. Fairly an fascinating instance right here, Ryk. If one seems at 2021, our Protea South Africa Fund carried out roughly consistent with the benchmark, which is the native markets index, the JSE All Share Index, whereas our Protea World Fund considerably underperformed the worldwide index. Each these funds adopted the identical strategy.

So, even when one follows the identical strategy you possibly can have completely different outcomes. The rationale for that’s, once more, what I’d name the standard market cycle, and we’ve had completely different cycles play out beneath the JSE and in world markets. So the primary level, and an vital level, is whether or not an establishment investor is considered as being profitable or not, fairly sometimes as you do with the place we’re within the cycle and over what interval one is measuring efficiency.

With regards to equities, as a result of share costs transfer in irrational and unpredictable methods within the brief time period, I’d counsel that one ought to all the time take a look at durations of a minimum of three years when assessing whether or not any investor has executed job or not, as a result of random issues occur in shorter durations.

Then by way of completely different approaches, one can use an strategy that appears like a stable strategy, but it surely additionally works at completely different instances available in the market cycle. Right here the commonest approaches which can be referred to are development and worth traders. When you look once more on the previous two years, we’ve had a really fascinating cycle of development traders or a development strategy doing very effectively from early 2020 to early 2021. Then hastily the expansion strategy [was] underperforming over the previous 12 months – from January 2021 to January 2022 – and the worth strategy considerably outperforming over the previous 12 months.

So traders who use very completely different approaches, the worth strategy versus the expansion strategy, would have vastly completely different returns for the years 2020 and 2021, when one might say that each these approaches could possibly be seen as moderately profitable approaches over the long run.

So watch out, I’d counsel, in trying on the final result of an strategy over any interval shorter than three years. One solely sees if an strategy is a profitable strategy if it really works over a interval longer than three years.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: What has been your greatest funding ever, and what has been your worst one?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Wow. For my greatest funding I would wish to return and I’d say it was in South Africa property corporations, the place I purchased vital lengthy publicity to South African property corporations; in all probability roughly 10 years in the past. Importantly, though the shares of these property corporations turned costly in my thoughts, I held on as a result of I considered them as being high-quality corporations. On the finish of the day they went up nearly 10 instances in value. Thank goodness I additionally bought them close to the highest of the South African property market, roughly 5 years in the past.

So by way of pure efficiency, that was my greatest commerce – shopping for South African property corporations roughly 10 years in the past and promoting them roughly 5 years in the past.

When it comes to my worst investments, two come to thoughts. The one is being brief gold-mining corporations in December 2015. You may keep in mind that we had Nenegate occur in December 2015; that precipitated the rand to depreciate sharply and our native gold shopping for shares to rise very sharply. As a result of I had shorted these shares, I incurred vital losses.

The opposite one is definitely prior to now 12 months, Ryk, the place we had publicity to vital high-growth corporations in our World Fund. Rapidly prior to now two months, the months of December 2021 and January 2022, these shares have come beneath vital strain. It’s been disappointing to see that a few of our holdings have dropped 30% or much more, and it has had a unfavorable impact on our funds. I’d subsequently additionally categorise it as one of many worst outcomes of my funding profession during the last 13 years or so.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: After which, simply lastly, are you able to inform us what corporations you might be at present shopping for, and which sectors or corporations are you staying away from?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: On the native facet we’re nonetheless discovering plenty of high-quality mid-cap corporations which can be nonetheless comparatively low cost, though their share costs have recovered over the previous 18 months; we’re shopping for these. And in world markets I discussed that a variety of high-quality development shares have been bought off fairly sharply during the last two months, I can consider corporations like Netflix, which fell 30% in a day, or an organization like Fb, which has simply come out with outcomes and fell by greater than 20% on the again of these outcomes. So these high-quality, high-growth corporations are additionally what we’re shopping for most just lately.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: And regionally? Are you able to give us just a few names?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Certain, sure. We’ve been shopping for shares like Hudaco, Cashbuild, Afrimat. These are the standard mid-cap corporations that we view as being top quality – Italtile as effectively – which have recovered from their lows; however we nonetheless see vital long-term worth in these corporations as a result of they’ve obtained superb administration groups. They’re not fairly as low cost as they have been, however from prior expertise I’ve additionally discovered that simply since you purchase a share and the share value doubles within the brief time period, it doesn’t imply you need to then promote the share. Generally one of many worst errors you may make is to promote high-quality firm shares too early.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: After which simply lastly, what recommendation would you may have for retail traders, regular beginner retail traders?


For these kinds of traders, Ryk, I’d say diversify, as a result of an beginner investor, sometimes as I discussed, won’t have the technical expertise to interpret monetary statements to the identical diploma as knowledgeable investor would. One of the best defence in opposition to that’s to diversify.

And the second phrase of recommendation I’d give is to stay to high quality reasonably than making an attempt to purchase shares of corporations whose share costs you see falling very sharply and also you suppose that implies that essentially the share costs should recuperate – though it’s a mediocre firm that doesn’t have pricing energy and doesn’t have a powerful aggressive place. Slightly deal with sturdy corporations with pricing energy, good aggressive positions. Maintain them for the long run. That’s how a retail investor has the very best probability of outperforming even the institutional skilled traders.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: How vital is luck to achieve success?

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: I consider it has a really large affect on success. I discussed earlier that we measure our hit fee, how usually we’re proper versus flawed. Our hit fee is slightly below 60%, which implies that we’re flawed 40% of the time. A big chunk of that 40% of the time the place we really lose on an organization whose shares we purchase or brief is due to dangerous luck. These items occur due to the random nature of short-term share-price actions. The one defence in opposition to that’s diversification and, secondly, to have a repeatable course of the place, when dangerous luck occurs, it’s not too detrimental to your funding returns.

However on the identical time you possibly can then additionally profit from good luck. I undoubtedly wouldn’t low cost luck, and I personally can consider many examples, each the place dangerous luck had a unfavorable affect on my returns and good luck had a optimistic affect on my returns. Once more, it’s solely over the long run you can see, with out the affect of luck, each good and dangerous, if a course of would’ve generated above-average returns primarily based on talent reasonably than luck.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: What did Gary Participant say? “The extra you practise, the luckier you get.” It’s in all probability very related within the funding business as effectively.

However Jean Pierre, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us and giving us your insights. Good luck into 2022.

JEAN PIERRE VERSTER: Thanks, Ryk, I recognize the chat.

RYK VAN NIEKERK: That was Jean Pierre Verster. He’s CEO of Protea Capital Administration.


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